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Odyssey, Clive and PETA

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 6:11 PM
For those just tuning in, I have the privilege of working very closely with the Odyssey II Project with Clive Barker and I couldn't be more excited. The following is my personal opinion on the project, Clive and PETA, so I encourage you to direct any conversation regarding what you read here, to the comments below, so I can respond :)

First, I'm a huge fan of Clive Barker's work.  His artwork and his stories have entranced me for years but beyond that, he's truly a deviant.  *CliveBarker has become an active member of the community, submitting his artwork and commenting on others.  He's a perfect fit in my opinion, but that's not entirely why I'm writing today.

Clive's initial choice for a cause to donate the proceeds of this project to, is PETA and if you've been watching the #ODYSSEYPROJECT unfold, you've certainly seen several opinions in regards to the organization.  

If you know me at all, you'll know that I was a Vegan for over two decades (I've changed my status to omnivore over the last 5 years).  During that period of time, I was a card carrying member of PETA and during my tenure with the organization, the extent of their requirements from me involved a lot of letter writing and outreach.  I was never encouraged to dress up and protest, torture anything, throw paint at anything.. etc etc etc.  As with any organization (and yes I'm thinking about Religious organizations right now) there are extremists and certainly those people exist within PETA.  My personal opinion of the organization and any organization for that matter, is that judging by the craziest is really unfair. However, I do have some personal experience with situations like this and I'd love to share that for perspective.

My family has been plagued with Cancer and I've lost very important people in my life.  For the last 15 years I have actively raised money and participated in events to raise money for Cancer research.  Every year, when I begin my fundraising efforts within the community, I am harassed by people who tell me I'm wasting my time, that research money is wasted and it's a giant political agenda.  I have had people be ridiculously cruel to me BECAUSE I'm raising money for Cancer and once I had someone tell me that my loved one's were afflicted because of an inner evil they possessed that no 'medical treatment' could cure.  It's a cause that means a lot to me and I extensively research where the money goes every time but to no avail, I get barraged by people screaming at me for my efforts and my choices.

 I don't know that there is one charity or cause that everyone can agree on, considering what I've experienced.  What I do know is that I respect Clive and his participation in this project and I trust that he, like me, has done his research into his chosen cause and stands behind it for a reason.

I appreciate that people have very strong opinions and *CliveBarker is certainly aware of the concerns conveyed by the community as you can read in his journal here and I am confident that he will do the necessary research and make an informed decision.  At the end of the day, we may not all agree on it but I implore you to look at the bigger picture.  This project means a great deal to me and to those that have helped bring it to fruition including, the incredible *CliveBarker and our own $techgnotic.  This opportunity is not one that you're going to find every day and while I love that there has been open dialogue about the concerns regarding the charity, lashing out at Clive personally, is unfair and unwarranted.

Clive, like myself, believes in something that's dear to him.  I'm sure people read my above statement regarding the personal attacks I get every year, and because you know me, likely want to come to my defense and I appreciate that.  However, Clive also deserves that respect and those feelings.  

Sure there can be misguided ideas about what deserves our charity and what doesn't but what's drawn us to whatever cause we're fighting for is likely personal and no one should be attacked because they care.  Ever.  

I'm asking you to be the community I know you are and rise to the occasion.  The charity situation will be sorted one way or another, but the humanitarian one is up to you.  This is a fellow deviant, this project has the potential to be absolutely epic and I, personally, have felt the power of this community when it comes together in support.  

Let the Odyssey begin.

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My opinions on the Odyssey Project, Clive Barker and PETA.
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*EratoTiaTuatha Oct 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I will sound harsh in this comment, but there is NOTHING that excuses supporting an organization that under the disguise of caring about animals KILLS ALMOST ALL THE ANIMALS THAT END UP IN THEIR SHELTERS. There are well-documented stories of the atrocities commited by the organization, and me and, I'm sure, a number of other deviants will be more than happy to provide links to places in the Web where this information can be found and confirmed.

You bring up the topic of personal choice of a cause one wishes to support. A very nice argument, but completely irrelevant, unless you are suggesting that the 'cause' in question is actually 'helping an ogranization that misuses its money to fund massive slaughters of animals'. If donating to THAT cause is the well-informed, well-researched decision of any individual, then your argument indeed has some relevance. Except, one needs to question why would anyone donate to such a 'cause' in the first place.

If, by donating to PETA one does NOT aknowledge the harm done by them, and instead believes it's actually an honest charity, then why are you against the uproar this decision is causing? Can't you see that the negative response is a way of INFORMING a person who is believed to be better than that ('that' meaning 'knowingly helping someone hurt innocent beings'), so that they can put the money to a better use? Anyone actually concerned with the cause, and not the publicity would've taken notice of such a response, checked the facts that back it up, and STOPPED SUPPORTING THIS ORGANIZATION.

Oh, and I beg you, do not use that age-old "it's just the extremists that are evil" argument. It gets us nowhere. It's irrelevant whether it's the majority, or just a few people in the organization who are wicked. What matters, is that it is the wicked who make the decisions for the whole organization. What matters, ultimately, is not supporting a multimillion-dollar violent fraud just because it hides behind pretty slogans.
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If you were to follow the situation you would know that Clive has since changed his mind. At the end of the day, he set out to do something positive so I don't condone the personal attacks against him. If you want to hate on the organization so be it but clearly you didn't get that.Regardless, the point is moot.
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:iconrooster5man:
I don't see why anyone would attack you for donating to Cancer. Why should they care what you do with your money? It's yours, and you're donating for a great cause, anyone who wouldn't even process the thought of donating to such a cause is someone I'd consider heartless, truthfully. There is no "political agenda," it's about helping people in need.

As for the comments on PETA: As someone has said before, I'm not attacking Clive, but there are plenty other charities out there who could probably be donated to. Why don't we split the donations between PETA and these other charities? Seeing as how it's Clive's choice and not mine, my idea will probably not be taken into account, but I thought to say it anyway.
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:iconmoonbeam13:
If you read any updates to this written by *CliveBarker he has chosen local charities and decided against PETA.

Cheers.
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:iconrooster5man:
I read the updates, lol, thanks.
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:iconrooster5man:
I see now Clive's changed his mind...You should probably add that Journal of his into the main Journal above...maybe in bold lettering =P
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:iconroamingtigress:
Never support PeTA. PeTA supports this: [link]

No real animal lover supports BSL.
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*littlecrow Oct 19, 2012   General Artist
I never criticized Clive Barker at all. I loved and still love his writing. I also have never had an issue with vegans, vegetarians, or animal welfare. Although I am not a vegetarian myself, I respect those who are, and animal welfare issues are very close to my heart. I know that some people were not as respectful in the voicing of their opinions, and it made me sad.

My problem was simply and specifically with PETA. I am not of the opinion that it's a couple of extremists ruining it for everyone else; the objections that I have are with the official, fundamental way that the organization is run. For instance, I have feminist objections to the anti-fur campaign involving semi-nude photos of women, and that is, as far as I know, an officially endorsed campaign. PETA is not the only organization that promotes animal welfare, simply the most familiar (and sometimes for bad reasons), so I support these other organizations instead.

I know that there are lots of other people who don't share my opinions, and I respect that. I know that others were not so respectful. For my part, I was simply voicing my opinion that I simply can not support PETA.

I am quite impressed that Clive Barker and DA responded in this way, listening to the (sometimes not very nice or rational) concerns that people voiced, and making the decision to withdraw support for PETA.

So, yeah. Well done. I hope everyone else who had objections can be rational about this now and stop the silly and disrespectful personal attacks. The reason for my decision not to participate in the project is invalid now, so I guess I have to hurry up and make artwork for the prologue before the deadline!
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:iconmoonbeam13:
Thank you, looking forward to your submission!
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=EvelynTaliette Oct 18, 2012  Student Writer
The fact is, some extremists will always get a hold of some money that was donated- whether it's two cents or five hundred bucks. I honestly don't want any money or my support somehow even having a ghost of a chance of helping PETA. Sure, I'm all for animal rights (I've seen animal abuse first hand. My neighbors back at my childhood home used to torture them. Have you ever heard a dog scream, or seen people buy animals just to have something for their juvenile kids to throw around? Have you ever seen your cat ripped apart by the neighbor's dog, who has been born into an endless killing rage by her psychotic owner, then see her chase after a toddler the very next day? I have.) But, as far as animal rights go, PETA is not the way. No matter all the honest and well-meaning people within PETA, a few bad apples can spoil the bunch- all the crap in the news has verified this. There's hundreds- thousands- of other groups Clive could choose when it comes to animal rights. I don't want to submit, support, or even be associated with Odyssey as long as its possible that some of it will go towards euthanizing, torturing, killing, or..."helping" animals, no matter how little the chance. I honestly think half of the people that are participating in Odyssey just didn't read through the tiny little submission guidelines at the bottom of the event poster- I've informed, asked, and surveyed several writers and artists on their opinion on this, and a quarter didn't even realize while half outright hated the event because of PETA.
Overall: Just choose another organization- any, just any different one- and get this controversy over with already. It's as bad as the "video games cause violence" argument- we just need to shut up and change the subject to something less likely to enrage some people.
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